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Postby Sagacchi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:39 pm

Dear BRIANS!

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Let me introduce to you, our brand new topic that... I just made kekeke.

From now on, to avoid spam in project/release topics, let's have discussions here! *-*

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╰☆ Try to stay as polite as possible!
You can state you opinion, even if it is directed to/is about a certain member, but without insulting him/her! That means especially to not use swearing words!

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╰☆ Unlike me, if you write long posts, maybe use some formats or so, so that people are able to read it better :P
(i sometimes have the feeling people cant fully understand what i write cuz its sooo long and has no special formats or so lol >_<)

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╰☆ If you are the target of a discussion, and can't get a hold of the situation or anything, come to me or any other mod, and we get our whips out!
Kekeke not really, but...before somethings goes out of control, better inform us. Though we surely will watch this topic!

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╰☆ It's normal, and its great, that people have different opinions!
Accept other opinions, even if you don't agree! Don't judge people for their opinions ^^

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╰☆ Try to watch your grammar and spelling, or people might be confused at what you write xD

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Let's get things started! ^-^
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Sagacchi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:46 pm

to start the topic, imma copy & paste what i wrote in that release topic! ^.^
but imma put it under a cut

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@Meike: I guess its normal to feel a bit hurt at someone's comment from time to time. It's always had to deal with honest critics >.< And the reason why I understand you saying it, is because I feel like this too! And often, I might think "what the hell is she talking bout, I did really good on just that part the she critiziced" .. ah... it's depressing xD but either we deal with it, or we forbid honest comments ^^

@Cho: Hehe I know you didnt mean your comment bad or something, and I think it's not only you who thinks that some comments seem a bit harsh ^^ It's probably a topic that needs to be talked about, cuz it's been hold back for so long!
Honestly, I don't see any harsh word or choice of words or meaning in anything Stef said about Hani's parts... I actually think it was said really nice :O like in a way, she was too shy to really say what she means.. I mean the "something went wrong" is still better than saying "it disappoints me" what I wrote not too long ago. And I also honestly think, just because of my dissappointment-comment, i was raising the bar for harshness up to a level, nobody would dare to write a comment on.
Err... WOW. i dont even understand myself what i just wrote! What I meant was, that nobody here probably would ever write a comment as harsh as mine on the miss A song xD

And if I seem like I am proud of that.. I'm not! I'm really feeling apologic for writing that, though that doesnt necessarily mean I regret it - cuz still, not too long ago I announced that I will write honest comments from that point on, cuz people also do complain if they always get the same "you did a good job" comment over and over again! hihi ^^

But anyways, tactics-wise, my comment on miss A was probably poo-poo talk. Hani doesnt have any self esteem on doing covers anyways, even though 90% of our comments on her, like Rella kinda said, were comments of praise ! She got so much praise from us in those last 2 years, and still has no self-esteem. Like many others, which i will adress too later ;) .. anyways... I really don't know what to do with Hani. Tell her she does a good job, you get a "noo i sound like a hairy monkey with high fever and cough" or something like that. Comment on her with a "this time you didnt do as good" you get a "i know i f**d up, im so sorry to my team... "

So no matter what you guys do, I officially step back from commenting her covers, after I told her the same things over and over through the past 3 years that I know her. "Don't force out a vibrato so much" "work on you pronounciation" .. I'm not doing it anymore! ^^ and im really not saying this with a bad mood or with a tongue-in-cheek.. my mood is really good right now.. or I wouldnt use smileys XD

Cho mentioned to ask for re-recordings more often, and like Rella agreed and said, it should become more of a trend here! Sure, I totally agree to this too! But certain people even take re-record-requests as a hidden message "ur parts suck, go make it better (even tho im sure you cant)" and/or they feel embarassed they even got asked. Best examples here are Hani (again), Casa and just recently ....Rhea i think?

Sure, being asked to make a re-record sometimes might feel a bit weird. And soon we will have the official rule.. wait, or did we announce it already?... that re-record requests must, from now on, be asked in private. like a private message here in the forum, or on twitter or facebook.
But seriously, people need to stop assuming that their voice sucks, just because they get asked to re-record !

And then, if they don't get asked, afterwards they complain "why didnt you ask", and this is what just now robs my smileys and makes me a bit mad. The simple answer to "why didnt you ask", at least if it was ME who didnt ask, is, that that person would be super sad/mad/whatever if I DID! And if you know me, you know that I'm normally not shy to ask for re-records. So either, your part was sounding good to me, or I feel it's a better decision not to ask, so I dont hurt feelings.

Anyways. If people get rid of this habit of taking re-record-requests as a hidden message of.... of... doom! XD .. lol.. no, of.. agh, you know, hidden message like "ur voice sucks", we could finally start the trend of re-recording without having to worry about someone's feelings to much ^^
Or just do it like Stef, and tell people to effin ask you to do a re-record, or you get mad or something :P ... Like.. after Stef's post in the past, I dont dare NOT to ask her HAHA

Mhmmm
and as I said, there is something else I wanna adress!

I already kinda ranted about it on twitter months ago, and some of the people even knew I meant them and said "I should change.. i know.. xD", but nothing changed. Absolutely nothing!

I'm talking about people here, that have no self-esteem at all! :// Even tho they get so many good comments always D:

People like ... ouphh.. okay that list would be so long.. But you, and them, know who I mean.

All we hear from them is, that their voice sucks so much, and oh, uh, sorry for destroying my team, and ughh I can't listen to this cover cause I'm in it!! Ahh this cover would be so perfect if I wasnt in it!!!

Seems familiar? Well duh, to me it does! D:

I mean... I'm not asking for a 180° change, so those people start to say "hah, see, if I wasnt in this team, that team would suck so much" or "goood i love to hear my voice soo much"
XD hahaha..
but it would be so much easier for everyone here, to either shrug those comments off with your shoulders and think "whatever you say", or show a little fun about your self, just like rella did in the comment above! she's joking about herself, and I also do that sometimes! Or when Cho says something like I sound like a pig (or something?? XD) and laughs it off...
That's so much less complicated ^^;

But if people take it so personally, and see stuff as direct insults instead of honest critics that should just help to improve, then I dunno. Then we should start to make a list of people, who are not allowed to receive comments or something XD' (that would be so ridiculous)

but what's not forbidden is to step back from commenting on certain people, which I started with this post ^^

and it would really suck if one day I'm in a state where i stepped back from commenting on 50% of the people.



Okay, thats all I have to say. ;) and if you want to discuss this issue further, just tell me and I will open an extra topic for this :3 because I think its a good issue to talk about.


Lastly, I want to adress the following people:
Hani, Casa, New, YouJu (sometimes), Tammy, Cho (sometimes), Stef (sometimes), Sai (sometimes)...
when thinking of members with no self esteem, you guys come to my mind. those with a "sometimes" are not as bad :P it doesnt hapen so often for you guys to hate on your parts....
but for the others...
gahhh whats wrong with you guys ^^ you all have so beautiful voices, geez! the rappers among you hate on their own rap, the singers hate on their singing...casa even hates to listen to some covers cause she's in it!! D:
Snap out of it! You all are so precious members in this forum, not only community wise, but even voice-wise!

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Edit: and when hani finishes reading this, she should think if she really wants to keep the post she just wrote ;)


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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Firefly » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:18 pm

Hm I feel like commenting on a few things..

I feel like Steffy and you are two of the most honest people here, always says exactly what you think and I like that about you. Not saying some of the comments couldn't be a bit more subtle though XD (not talking about this one) but you never say anything negative to be mean. I try to give honest comments as well, hope I haven't insulted anyone yet lol^^; But yeah it's never meant in a bad way. I like getting honest comments as well, if no one tells you what you do wrong, how can you improve?

For what you said about Hani, have to agree with you, no matter how many positive comments she gets, her self-esteem won't increase! I wish she'd see what an awesome and unique voice she has.. It makes me sad to see all those self-depreciating comments all the time:/

I have to say I was kinda surprised to see my name on your list XD Though we cleared that up just now haha^^ So.. remove me! XD

About re-recordings.. It's a good idea but I don't think it'll work for everyone. Like you said some people see it as a really bad thing, while others see it as a way to improve, everyone is different in that. So I guess it depends on the person if you want to ask for it or not. (unless it's really necessary like loud bg noises etc)
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Sagacchi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:26 pm

but if i remove your name now, people will not know whats going on when reading your comment :p


yeah re-recording cuz of file-problems (outmax etc) is no problem for anyone i think... :/ and you're right, everyone reacts different to it >.< its really sad...

thanks for your opinion <3
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby casali » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:58 pm

I'll try to make this not personal, although I do feel personally addressed.

So first of all, I have to correct you, since I really did never feel offended when being asked for rerecords. I was asked .. thrice until now? And I don't feel like I ever gave off the feeling of being angry or ashamed about it. If anything, I was a bit disappointed in -myself- that I didn't get it right at the first try and cause the mixer the trouble of having to contact me about it.
But we already talked about this on Twitter, so I'm all fine ^^ (except for the fact that my name will forever be amongst those listed in that context |D)

About the self-esteem thing, I know about it, but you should know best that this concerns all parts of my life :P It's kind of like a hit in the face right now, though, because I just recently started to like my voice, not only because Meike wrote that uber sweet comment in her diary, but I guess I just had to get used to it being somewhat ... different?

And lastly - yes, you're right about me being embarrassed to listen to some covers - especially the old ones - I am in. I have nothing to defend myself with, I just truly think I do suck in those.

That much for myself. Now, Hani. I noticed she overdoes that "I suck so much" attitude too. Me! The person who think...thought of herself that way all the time XD But that way I can sort of understand her~ It's like ... you really ARE bad in the beginning and if you improve and get the praise you don't dare being too proud of it because, well, either it's just that there was a good mixer, or you had a really good day, or you really improved and know it but the last thing you wanna do is brag about it.

So I guess for "us" people, it's all about finding and -accepting- our voice, the uniqueness that lies within it and to go with our own style of singing and being content with it. It's a hard, long way, but eventually we'll get there.

... Am I drifting off topic too much? I don't even know D:

About members being honest: Ani, I think I told you in the very beginning of me starting to be active of this forum. I thanked you for being so honest and constructive with my comments. And if I have improved since then, you can be proud of having responsibility. - - - Moment of glory over, not only you of course, but it was thanks to you that it -started-, since at another forum that shall stay unnamed here, there was nothing like that for me.

I don't even think it should be more subtle. You guys always stay more or less (let's hope for more now XD) friendly and try to state the facts as they are~ That's what's important, and if people come here without wanting to improve, then well, they gotta live with bad critics as long as they are active here.
O M G was that me being mean? D: I thought I'm just like that in RL D<

And lastly... I had tears in my eyes when you stated that we are precious members ;; I have that tendency of feeling left out / unwanted, but that ... ;^;

Well, that was my awesome defence/opinion, it's been quite some while since I wrote a long post :3

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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby SitD » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:03 pm

Y'all better get ready for some literature, cuz I'm making a friggin essay out of this 8D
Just warning you guys, so you don't get all "wtf is dis sht?"

So now I'll get my brain working and my fingers typing,
and I'll come back with a huge motherfather edit /grin
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Sagacchi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:07 pm

casali wrote:And lastly... I had tears in my eyes when you stated that we are precious members ;; I have that tendency of feeling left out / unwanted, but that ... ;^;


ahhh dammit.. i actually just lied when saying that...




.... haha JUST KIDDING! geez lousie!! :P dont ya take that serious, gurl! or guy! or both! whaddchu got? eh? whaddchu got girl? y imma talkin lik'a gangsta now, eh?
I DONT KNOW! I SERIOUSLY DONT KNOW!
*slaps herself*ahhh... thats way better


but thanks for your opinion kekeke. yeah we talked about your name being on the list on twitter, so its settled :P
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby casali » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:09 pm

YAH, that's all you have to tell me on this? XDD

Keke looking forward to it Steffy Stef Stef :3
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Sagacchi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:13 pm

yes >w< but thats a good sign i think, cuz it means i dont disagree to anything u said either! its kinda the best way to accept an opinion? *-*


but if you want to read it

I accept your opinion as it it, and probably agree to some stuff you said you werent agreeing to (like to the stuff I said)

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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby casali » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:16 pm

LOLOLOL Yes, I didn't see it that way, but now that you told me ... xD

and i get that sentence! banzaaaaaaaaai ! XD *random while waiting for stefs comment lololol*
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Kyllia » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:29 pm

I think criticism and comments are really good because it can help people improve and what not. You can't improve without knowing what's wrong. As long as everyone is open to criticism and takes it the right way then there should be no problem.

However, I do believe criticism should be given in a certain way because sometimes it does just sound mean, and because of their tone, t doesn't seem like the person is trying to help the other person improve. I'm not going to name any names because I think all of us has done it at least once or twice but I think we should all just watch how we give our comments and make sure that what we say is with the attitude of helping the other person improve not just to criticize. Read over your comments before submiting and ask yourself if someone said that to you how would you feel and also keep in mind that some people are more sensitive and that needs to be taken into consideration as well.

I want to be a part of a forum where opinions can be given and taken into consideration and also a place where everyone can learn from their mistakes and get better at everything we do here! :)

Edit: Also I think it should be a rule for this thread that if there's a specific incident you want to talk about or use as an example you should privately ask the members involved if it's okay to talk about it here before you post anything
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Chulderella » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:37 pm

so here is what i wanted to state:
  • i'm really glad about this topic being made, so it'll prevent spamming other topics... like what happened to Mona Lisa currently where most of the posts are now braggin about the problems instead of the comments of project's awesomness ._.'''

  • *-* i really kind of do not get how some of our like pro members can be having low self-esteem. i mean guys.... damn, look at the bright sight of life and instead of being all "dah, how i sucked again" be all "woot, i wasn't that bad, but maybe i can do even better next time" if you can't be all happy about yourself being in project. look at people commenting on your parts, they are not lying if they like those dammit ><'

  • i wanted to state something else but I JUST WOKE UP (LMAO WTH?) so i cannot think well... o.o well, whenever i remember this, i'll just come over to this topic ^^"

  • last but not least... probably the most important here: without you, our beloved members, there wouldn't be this forum at all. so all of you are amazing over here for making this forum how it is right now. each one has their great impact on forum's history, and we all want you as active members over here, so don't you dare think differently or you'll be on bad terms with me, kekeke Image

  • 사랑해 브라이언스 (saranghae BRIANS)



oh yeah, I REMEMBERED:
  • i do think we really shall make it official to ask for rerecordings. i mean - i myself really hate it when i don't get a question for rerecording from a project holder/mixer and then the very same person brags about how they're dissapointed because they expected me to do better. yah, it doesn't hurt to ask "Rella, get your lazy backside and do something about it, because it's not the best you can do" XD and i hope i'm one of like a horde who's for that rule.


shyah, that should be all for now <3
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Sagacchi » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:51 pm

@Ky: added the rule! :3 thanks for stating your opinion! I think you're right, it's all about the way HOW we said the critic! And I admit, that I really might sound harsh from time to time! I already stated, I feel apologetic?? XD because of it often!

But then again, if I have to rank my level of harshness... I cant really explain it good, but I feel that if I was nicer, my comments would really be critical enough anymore, and were to nice again :/

So yeah, I guess it's just me, but I'm maybe not able to find the perfect balance of critism+being nice+being harsh at the same time >w<; That's why I won't comment on Hani anymore, and maybe other people in the future!



@Rella: I'm really happy to hear your opinion on this <3 can't disagree to anything there :33
but btw, BRIANS is pronounced as 브라이언스 :P like the name Brian with an s attached to it hihi
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby Chulderella » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:59 pm

Sagacchi wrote:
BRIANS is pronounced as 브라이언스 :P like the name Brian with an s attached to it hihi

damn i knew i ate something......... i'm hungry however, that explains everything. xD
-doesn't want to admit that was reading it the other way- ^^" -fail rella now does to hide-
(hush hush, 실수했는데 지금 모든것이 맞아.)
dgdgds there's no color to make msg invisible. me no likey. that should be an issue here too XD
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Re: Issues and Discussions

Postby hanipazui » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:04 pm

you should comment...but also peoples should ask me to re-record or remix when there is need that I don't have to feel hurt afterwards...
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